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🗓️ 15 July 2024
⏱️ 102 minutes
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Well, what happens now? Does Donald Trump win? Does he lose? To whom? What are we all in for?
On the eve of Trump’s coronation as the Republican presidential candidate at the party’s National Convention this week, he was narrowly shot in an apparent assassination attempt at a rally.
Is this the most dramatic election of our lives? David Frum is one of the most influential anti-Trumpers to come out of a Republican White House. As President George W Bush’s speechwriter, he's credited with the famous phrase the "axis of evil". He wrote the first insider account of the Bush presidency. Frum is now a senior editor at The Atlantic.
David and Josh sat down shortly before the Trump shooting for the occasion of the Republican National Convention. They discuss Trump’s plans, Biden’s options, the fate of both parties… and of America.
In the first half-hour of this episode, Josh reflects on how to process this moment, and how the assassination attempt and response have already begun to shape what the future will hold for this campaign as well as American democracy at large.
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0:00.0 | Gide humans. Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas. |
0:07.0 | Fool boy. What a week. |
0:10.9 | If you're feeling a bit unstable and discombobulated, |
0:14.3 | if you've been consuming a little too much cable news and too much chatter around the dinner table about the past few days events, I hear you, I'm feeling you. |
0:24.9 | The dangerous idea that I invite you to consider in the midst of all that, which might help us lift ourselves above it for a moment and not just listen to cable news anchors barking on about ballistics, |
0:39.2 | is that in the wake of the attempted assassination of Donald Trump, |
0:44.9 | I notice that we're on a knife edge in two ways. |
0:51.4 | The first is just the contingency of history. |
0:53.9 | I mean, the distance between where we currently are |
0:57.1 | and an America that looks very, very, very different is a distance of an inch and a half |
1:04.7 | in ballistics terms. You know, like AR-15s are very powerful. Eight shots were fired. |
1:11.6 | One was close enough to sever his ear. |
1:14.2 | He just had to move a fraction. |
1:15.9 | The wind just had to be slightly different. |
1:18.1 | A butterfly flapping its wings in the Amazon had to just behave slightly differently. |
1:22.4 | And the breeze coming from the northeast could have been slightly stronger. |
1:25.8 | I mean, you know, if his head had exploded like a watermelon, |
1:32.2 | pardon the analogy, but, you know, I'm not in favor of AHA 15, |
1:36.1 | so that's the blontest way of putting it. |
1:40.3 | Where would we be then? |
1:42.6 | So no matter how kind of, I don't know, unstable or vulnerable or |
1:47.2 | anxious we might be feeling at the moment about this election, just remember that there are a lot |
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