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The Rachel Maddow Show

Trump's poor choices for national security staffing have new relevance after Iran bombing

The Rachel Maddow Show

MSNBC

Madow, Washington, Rachel Maddow, Congress, Campaign, Policy, Election, President, Nbc, Public, News, Government, Maddow, Politics, Issues

4.534K Ratings

🗓️ 24 June 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Rachel Maddow reviews the cast of characters that staff important national security roles in the Trump administration, and whose lack of qualifications for their jobs matters even more now that Donald Trump's bombing of Iran has raised the threat level for Americans everywhere in the world.

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0:00.0

Really happy to have you here. Do you want to start with the spy movie stuff? Let's start with the spy movie stuff.

0:06.2

So you have probably heard the term state sponsor of terrorism. It's not a commonly used term,

0:14.2

but the U.S. government occasionally will designate another country in the world as a state sponsor of terrorism.

0:21.1

And what that means is not just that there is international terrorism somehow associated

0:26.3

with that country.

0:27.2

It means the government of that other country is, according to the U.S., using its power

0:34.5

as a government, as a country, to sponsor international terrorism and terrorist

0:40.0

groups. So it's always and only a very small list of countries that get this very serious

0:47.4

kind of designation from the United States. Right now, I think there's only like four

0:51.8

countries on the list.

0:54.4

But it goes without saying, if the U.S. government has put another country on this list,

1:00.3

if the U.S. government has declared a country to be a state sponsor of terror, it goes

1:06.7

without saying the United States does not have formal diplomatic relations with that country,

1:11.8

obviously. But then, for the purposes of any good spy movie plot, you have to think, well,

1:18.8

okay, that explains what happens between the two governments. If the U.S. government declares

1:24.6

another country's government, essentially persona non-grata, right,

1:27.9

state sponsor of terrorism, obviously our government and their government are not going to have

1:33.0

relations. But our country is not just our government, right? Our country is also made up of more

1:40.2

than 300 million people. And you have to think, well, what would the U.S. government do

1:47.7

if an American person, an American citizen, decided on his or her own steam

1:56.6

that they were going to cultivate personal ties with a government like that.

2:01.9

Right?

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