Trump's plan for Gaza is not a done deal

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🗓️ 30 September 2025

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President Trump and Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are urging Hamas to accept a 20-point U.S. peace deal. The plan calls for Hamas to disarm in exchange for an end to the fighting, aid to Palestinians, and the reconstruction of Gaza. Rachel Brandenburg of the Israel Policy Forum shares more.

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0:17.2	WBUR Podcasts, Boston.
0:20.5	There are a lot of details left to work out, and those are going to be arguably even more difficult than getting to the place we have already.
0:29.6	Trump, Netanyahu, and The Art of the Deal.
0:33.6	The Art of the Deal. deal.
0:49.3	It's Tuesday, September 30th, and this is here and now anytime from NPR and WBOR.
0:50.4	I'm Chris Bentley.
0:57.6	Today on the show, one of President Trump's advisors reportedly called Larry Ellison,
1:05.8	a shadow president of the United States. The billionaire has huge sway in tech, politics, and media. How is he using all that power? What to know about Larry Ellison?
1:13.3	We'll also discuss a couple hotly anticipated video game releases this month.
1:18.9	Death to Kronos.
1:21.1	Hades 2 and Hollow Night Silk Song, coming up at about 15 minutes.
1:32.8	But first, President Trump told reporters today he's giving Hamas three to four days to accept his plan for the future of Gaza.
1:38.1	We're just waiting for Hamas, and Hamas is either going to be doing it or not, and if it's not,
1:43.5	it's going to be a very sad end. Trump's 20-point plan calls for Hamas is either going to be doing it or not, and if it's not, it's going to be a very sad end.
1:45.8	Trump's 20-point plan calls for Hamas to release the remaining hostages, and for Israel to release
1:52.2	nearly 2,000 Palestinians they've imprisoned since October 7, 2023.
1:57.2	It also says Israel will stop bombing Gaza and withholding aid if Hamas fighters give up their weapons and, quote, commit to peaceful coexistence.
2:08.5	Rachel Brandenberg is with the Israel Policy Forum. She tells Peter O'Dowd that, well, it's the most detailed plan the Trump administration has put forth so far.
2:17.7	It leaves a lot of questions unanswered.
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