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Trump’s Pick to Lead The Navy Is a Walking Red Flag

Bulwark Takes

The Bulwark

News, Society & Culture, Politics, News Commentary

4.71.2K Ratings

🗓️ 25 April 2026

⏱️ 16 minutes

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Summary

Sam Stein and Jared Poland give their takes on Trump’s new acting Navy secretary, Hung Cao. From viral podcast clips to resurfaced campaign interviews, Cao leans hard into “alpha male” rhetoric, conspiracy-adjacent claims about witches, and extreme takes on immigration, NATO, and the military. It’s a wild collection of moments, including comments about “peeing standing up,” calling ICE on people, and KKK hoods. Cao’s rise to the top ranks of the Pentagon raise serious questions about judgment and leadership under Pete Hegseth.

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Hey, everyone. It's me Sam Stein. Managing Editor at the Bullwork. We have a special guest

0:33.4

appearance today. Jared Poland, who manns all of our research and clipping, but also does

0:39.2

the weird video test that you see now and then. He shook. How many hands did you shake that day?

0:43.7

It's well over 100. Well over 100 hands to see if he bruised as easily as Donald Trump. He ate

0:49.1

the $3 a meal, Brooke Rollins challenge just for the sake of journalism.

0:55.1

He does our weird stuff.

0:56.4

And today, Jared's going to join us because he's been sifting through the archives of our new acting naval secretary, Hongkau.

1:04.3

And we found some really disturbing stuff that has not been surfaced yet, some hilarious stuff, stuff about how if you're a real man,

1:11.8

you pee standing up and things about alpha males and witches and communists and calling ICE on

1:18.2

illegals and drag queens, just the classic weirdo shit that you would probably not want

1:23.8

in your naval secretary. But before we get to that, I have a public service announcement. If you live in San Diego, if you live in Los Angeles, if you live in and around those areas, we got shows coming up, live shows. They're May 20th and 21st. You can get your tickets for them at the bulwark.com slash events. You're going to want to check them out. The shows are awesome. It's going to be me, Tim out the shows are awesome it's going to be me

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tim sarah longwell it's going to be a lot of fun so get your tickets now i guess i should probably

1:49.0

do a little backstory here right like why we ended up with hung cow so basically this week kind

1:56.9

of not kind of a little bit out of nowhere i would say i don't know do you agree with that that this

2:00.7

happened out of nowhere yeah it was out of nowhere, I would say. I don't know. Do you agree with that that this happened out of nowhere? Yeah, it was out of nowhere. I mean, it was around the Navy ship building stuff, but it was pretty much out of the blue. Okay, so basically what happened this week is that Trump fired his Navy secretary, a guy named John Phelan. Now, what's interesting about this is John Phelan was a Trump friend, a big-time Trump donor.

2:21.4

So he was put into that place because he was, I guess we could call it sycophantic, we could call it

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