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Stay Tuned with Preet

Trump's Law of War

Stay Tuned with Preet

Vox Media Podcast Network

Society & Culture, Politics, Government, News

4.832.3K Ratings

🗓️ 16 December 2025

⏱️ 13 minutes

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Summary

Is the United States at war with Venezuela? In an excerpt from this week’s Insider episode, Preet Bharara and Joyce Vance discuss the legality of the U.S.’s oil tanker seizure and the strikes against alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boats. Plus, if survivors remain after a strike, what does the law require the United States to do?  In the full episode, Preet and Joyce cover more news: – Two grand juries decline criminal charges against New York Attorney General Letitia James; and – A federal judge orders the Trump administration to end the National Guard deployment in Los Angeles. CAFE Insiders click HERE to listen to the full analysis.  Not an Insider? Now more than ever, it’s critical to stay tuned. To join a community of reasoned voices in unreasonable times, become an Insider today. You’ll get access to full episodes of the podcast and other exclusive content. Head to cafe.com/insider or staytuned.substack.com/subscribe.  Subscribe to our YouTube channel. This podcast is brought to you by CAFE and Vox Media Podcast Network.  Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Supervising Producer: Jake Kaplan; Associate Producer: Claudia Hernández; Audio Producer: Matthew Billy; Deputy Editor: Celine Rohr; CAFE Team: Nat Weiner, Jennifer Indig, and Liana Greenway. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey folks, Joyce Vance here. Preet and I are out with a new episode of The Insider podcast.

0:06.7

We discuss updates related to New York Attorney General Letitia James, the National Guard in Los Angeles, and the Venezuela Boat Strikes.

0:13.8

If you're a member of Cafe Insider, head to the insider feed or click the link in the show notes of this podcast to hear the full analysis.

0:21.9

Stay tuned, listeners. Stick around for an excerpt from our conversation.

0:26.0

Members of Insider help support our work and get access to full episodes and other subscriber benefits.

0:32.0

We are living in unreasonable times. So join our community of reasonable voices.

0:36.9

Head to cafe.com slash insider or stay tuned.

0:40.7

Dot substack.com. Now, on to the show.

0:48.6

Our country has been doing a lot of things that not everyone agrees with and it's causing a lot

0:53.2

of controversy.

1:01.4

And that is the nation state of Venezuela, where the question of regime change arises,

1:09.9

the question of sort of teasing into war arises, due process with respect to the missiles being shot at these various boats,

1:12.2

the second strike that appears to have killed two apparent survivors of a boat strike back in September,

1:19.0

all sorts of issues.

1:20.0

And now we have the seizure by our government of an oil tanker.

1:25.7

These are all interesting things as a matter of geopolitics, domestic politics,

1:31.9

foreign relations, but they are also interesting, Joyce, ask questions of law. They are.

1:37.5

Why do we take the tanker and was that lawful? Yeah, I mean, you know, it starts with the assertion

1:43.5

by the administration that what has long been the business of law enforcement and of drug intervention, frequently using the Coast Guard, right, because typically the FBI doesn't have a lot of boats on the water.

1:55.3

But anyhow, what's typically drug interdiction treated in the criminal courts, they've tried to convert that into war,

2:04.6

into what this administration calls a non-international armed conflict. And the administration

2:10.1

went to the Office of Legal Counsel and got an order that purported to cover the legality

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