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This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

Trump's Iran doom spiral – Where does this end?

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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Politics, Society & Culture, News

4.91.6K Ratings

🗓️ 5 March 2026

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Iran has retaliated against US and Israeli attacks, widening the conflict across the Middle East. As the crisis deepens, is Donald Trump risking the kind of endless war he campaigned against? And for Iran, how long can its regime last in the face of the assault, and what does its retaliation risk?  Gavin Esler is joined by Dr Burcu Ozcelik, senior research fellow for Middle East security at RUSI. Advertisers! Want to reach smart, engaged, influential people? Some 3.5 MILLION people download and watch our podcasts every month – and they love our shows. Why not get YOUR brand in front of our influential listeners with podcast advertising? Contact ads@podmasters.co.uk to find out more. • Support us on Patreon to keep This Is Not A Drill producing thought-provoking podcasts like this. Written and presented by Gavin Esler. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Original theme music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Executive Producer Martin Bojtos. Managing Editor Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. This Is Not A Drill is a Podmasters production. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Persia has always figured deeply in the European imagination, sometimes there's a threat or an opportunity,

0:48.8

from the ancient tribes including notorious warriors such as the Parthians down to the present-day Iranian revolution,

0:52.8

and Europeans and others have always meddled in Persia throughout history. In 1901, a British entrepreneur,

0:55.4

William Knox Darcy, obtained a lucrative concession from the Shah of Persia to exploit the

1:00.6

country's oil resources. These arrangements lasted until 1951, when the Iranian monarchy was

1:06.7

overthrown and the Mossadee government nationalized the oil. Two years later, the British

1:11.7

Secret Service and the American CIA conspired to overthrow Mossadei, reinstate the Shah, and

1:17.6

return to business more or less as usual. Then came the overthrow of the Shah, Muhammad

1:23.2

Reza Pahlavi, in February 1979 by Iranian revolutionaries who remain in power today.

1:29.8

That two-minute potted history helps us begin to understand why this great and beautiful

1:34.4

country has been fought over for millennia and is being fought over now with consequences

1:39.6

that may yet shake the world.

1:42.9

I'm Gavin Esler, and this is not a dream. Three very different factors are at the heart of the United States and Israeli attacks on Iran.

2:12.2

Iran's nuclear weapons program, Israel's fear that Iranian revolutionaries will one day drop a nuclear bomb on Israel,

2:19.1

and the unpredictability of U.S. President Donald Trump.

2:22.8

To talk us through this complex and very dangerous struggle, I'm joined by Dr. Bourgeois Ojallik,

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