Hey, everybody. It's Tim Miller from The Bullwark.

Delighted to be here with an old friend, Ben Terrace, New York Magazine's Washington correspondent.

He wrote a buzzy little article today titled, You're going to make me say this.

Yeah, you've got to say it.

The superhuman president.

And it was a dive into what we know about his health,

what he wants to tell us about his health,

and what other random strangers that he calls on his phone say about his health.

And I'm excited to talk about it with you.

What's going on?

How's going on, man?

How you doing?

Thanks for having me on.

I'm happy to talk about something like this,

a little silly, as a little break from our Minneapolis coverage that's going to drive me to a stroke.

And, you know, not that the president's self isn't a serious matter.

But there's some silliness associated with the story, I think.

Or a little bit of, you know, you may be a twinkle in your eye a couple of times when writing about how the administration's talking about his health. Yeah, that's right. I mean, it's kind of Veepey, kind of death of Stalin. You know, there's a little bit of zaniness going on here. So tell us, how did you end up, you end up interviewing him and two doctors in the Oval Office about his hand bruises. I've been monitoring his hand bruises very closely, as you mentioned in the story, which I appreciate. Like, how did that come to path? Yeah, honestly, I did not know the doctors were going to be in the Oval Office when I arrived. It was a surprise to me. A pleasant surprise because, you know, as a feature writer, you're always looking for scene and,

you know, surprises and unsuspecting things. And I was not suspecting this at all. But basically,

it came to be because I was working on this story about Trump's health for a month or two at

that point. And there'd been a lot of interest in Trump's health. The New York Times had published a story.

That story had sent Trump into a tizzy.

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