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Today we're going to talk about Trump's trials already starting to fall apart, and I interview

former White House press secretary and MSNBC host Jen Psaki about her thoughts on the

first GOP debate, whether her legal guest predicts any prison time for Trump, what question

she'd be getting the most as press secretary right now, and how she thinks Biden should

handle Trump's indictments.

I'm Brian Tyler Cohen, and you're listening to No Lie.

All right, so I don't think any of us run into the impression that Trump's defense in

these trials was going to go especially smoothly, right?

But there are some things happening, especially in Fulton County, Georgia right now, that are

already suggesting.

For this thing, even gets out of the pre-trial period that Trump is going to have a really

rough go in Georgia.

So first off, we have three of the fake electors who've been indicted in Georgia who've

come forward and said that they acted either at the direction of Trump or on Trump's behalf.

Now, full disclosure, they're also trying to have this case removed to federal court,

and so they're arguing that because Trump was a federal official, that's grounds to be

able to do that, which, by the way, most likely isn't going to fly.

But more importantly, these people may be previewing their defense here, and that defense

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