Book your ticket to happiness with Sun Express Airlines. The Welcome to Beg to Bue to Differ. The Bullworks Weekly Roundtable discussion featuring civil conversation across the political spectrum.

We range from center left to center right.

I'm Mona Charrens, indicated columnist and policy editor at the Bulworkk and I'm joined by Our regulars.

Damon Linker who writes the sub-stack newsletter notes from the middle ground.

Bill Galston of the Wall Street Journal and the Brookings Institution and Linda Chavez of the Niskannen Center.

Our special guest this week is Michael Isikoff, who has a new book out with his colleague Daniel

Clydman called Find Me the Votes.

And Michael, thanks so much for joining us.

This is a very important book.

You did a tremendous amount of research and about Trump's attempt to

subvert the 2020 election and there's a lot of meat here so I would like to begin though with something

So we can get into the whole Fani Willis controversy later because I gather that when you finished the book the news had not broken about

her relationship with Nathan Wade and all about it frankly that's kind of a

side show the fact is you so clearly outline in this book and you broke

some news, but you so clearly outline the nature of the attempt. So if you would, can you address for a minute

the fake elector's scheme?

Because people just toss it off and they mention it.

But what comes through so clearly in your book is that

But for Mike Pence, this very well could have worked.

They had these slates of fake electors that they had sort of

certified in various states. If Mike Pence had said he wasn't counting

certain electoral votes on January 6th.

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