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The Beat with Ari Melber

Trump's DOJ and FBI Leaders Clash in 'Blame' Over Epstein Fallout

The Beat with Ari Melber

MSNBC

Government, Daily News, Politics, News

4.64.1K Ratings

🗓️ 11 July 2025

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

MSNBC's Ari Melber hosts "The Beat" on Friday, July 11, and reports on the MAGA civil war over the Epstein files that is igniting a clash inside Trump's DOJ, NYC's Zohran Mamdani and the latest on President Trump's controversial deportation policies. Paul Krugman, Richard Farley, Faiz Shakir, Michelle Goldberg and Alencia Johnson join.

Transcript

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0:00.0

I want to welcome everyone to the beat. I'm Ari Melbert, and out of Washington, we are following

0:04.7

what can truly be described as unusual breaking news. This is truly unusual breaking news.

0:10.7

You know the breaking news animation. You know sometimes the news is big, significant, serious.

0:15.1

This one is unusual. A major escalation in what is increasingly a kind of political, quiet, peaceful civil war,

0:24.1

but a civil war of political proportions for MAGA over these Epstein files. And it's roiling the Trump

0:29.1

administration at quite literally the highest levels. Sources detailing the ongoing clash over a fight

0:35.3

that could cost someone their job. Trump's Attorney General

0:38.3

Pam Bondi clashing with the FBI number two official Dan Bongino. As everybody who follows

0:43.9

these kind of stories knows, technically the AG oversees the FBI. But if you remember Comey or other

0:49.0

strong-willed FBI officials, when you're at that number one, number two level, they sometimes

0:53.3

fight with the DOJ.

0:54.9

Sources say Bongino is so upset about all this. He's saying maybe he'll just leave, which would

0:59.2

be a very quick tenure, by the way. And he would be leaving in a sort of protest or criticism of

1:04.2

Bondi's handling of the Epstein files, other outside agitators, including Tucker Carlson,

1:08.8

saying she's lost confidence. Maybe she has to go.

1:11.4

He was not at work today, reportedly. Sources also say Bonnie and Bongino got into a heated clash

1:15.5

Wednesday in a high-level meeting with him, her, FBI director Patel, and Donald Trump's number one

1:22.9

person who tracks all this stuff and makes the big staffing decisions, Susie Wiles, the chief of staff,

1:28.0

who of course also ran the victorious campaign. Axios has a report on this where Pam says her

1:32.9

peace, Dan says his piece, didn't end on friendly terms. Von Gino left angry. And you don't need to be a

1:40.1

scholar of reporting or Watergate level intrigue to know somebody in this small meeting is leaking

1:44.9

this stuff to Axios if it's true. A source close to Bonjino is saying he ain't coming back.

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