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Stay Tuned with Preet

Trump’s Criminal Profit Motive

Stay Tuned with Preet

Vox Media Podcast Network

Politics, Government, Society & Culture, News

4.832.4K Ratings

🗓️ 31 March 2026

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

Did President Trump take classified documents to Mar-a-Lago in part to benefit his business interests? According to recent reports, Special Counsel prosecutors explored possible business-interest motives, a theory that was not part of Jack Smith’s eventual indictment.  In an excerpt from this week’s Insider episode, Preet Bharara and Joyce Vance break down the news and the significance of motive in criminal prosecutions. In the full episode, Preet and Joyce discuss: – The $1.2 million settlement in Michael Flynn’s malicious prosecution lawsuit against the Department of Justice; and – Attorney General Pam Bondi’s proposed rule deferring state bar ethics investigations into federal prosecutors to the Department’s own ethics committee. CAFE Insiders click HERE to listen to the full analysis.  Not an Insider? Now more than ever, it’s critical to stay tuned. To join a community of reasoned voices in unreasonable times, become an Insider today. You’ll get access to full episodes of the podcast and other exclusive content. Head to cafe.com/insider or staytuned.substack.com/subscribe.  Subscribe to our YouTube channel. This podcast is brought to you by CAFE and Vox Media Podcast Network.  Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Supervising Producer: Jake Kaplan; Associate Producer: Claudia Hernández; Senior Audio Producer: Matthew Billy; CAFE Team: Celine Rohr, Nat Weiner, Jennifer Indig, and Liana Greenway. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey folks, Joyce Vance here. Preet and I are out with a new episode of The Insider podcast,

0:06.5

and we're sharing an excerpt with listeners of Stay Tuned.

0:09.8

This week, we discussed new reporting, alleging President Trump to classified documents to Mar-a-Lago

0:14.8

to aid his business interests.

0:17.1

Then we cover the $1.2 million settlement in former Trump aide Michael Flynn's lawsuit against DOJ.

0:23.8

Finally, we break down Attorney General Pambondi's quest to have state ethics investigations into DOJ lawyers defer to the department's own lawyers.

0:32.0

If you're a cafe insider, you can hear the full conversation now in the insider feed.

0:37.4

And if you're not yet a member, we hope you'll join our community of reasonable people living in unreasonable times.

0:43.4

Insiders help support our work and get access to complete episodes and other subscriber benefits.

0:49.1

Head to cafe.com slash insider or stay tuned.substack.com. Now, on to the show.

0:57.9

So let's start with the Trump classified documents case. Now, you might be wondering,

1:02.1

why are we talking about it if you haven't seen the latest news? That was one of the two cases

1:07.1

brought by Special Counsel Jack Smith in a federal court in Florida relating to

1:13.3

Donald Trump's apparently intentional retention of and taking of a bunch of classified documents

1:20.7

beyond his presidency. That case went away, as we've discussed before, because the federal

1:27.0

district court judge dismissed the case on among other grounds that the appointment of Jack Smith was unconstitutional.

1:34.4

And we don't know a ton about it because there's a report that he has prepared, Joyce, am I correct, that has not been made public.

1:41.7

It has not. Volume two of the Jack Smith. Volume two. Volume two is always the better volume as volumes go,

1:49.7

Bob Mueller case especially.

1:51.9

And in addition to that, notwithstanding the fact that Congress has been all over Jack Smith,

1:57.6

has asked him to come testify at great length. He is under effectively

2:02.1

a gag order combined with implicit and, I don't know, perhaps explicit threats that if he

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