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Donald Trump is attacking judges and even a jury foreperson.

Can our system withstand his assault on the rule of law?

Let's get on topic.

Welcome to On Topic. A weekly in-depth look at a topic that helps us understand the week's news.

My name's Renato Mariati. I'm a former federal prosecutor, a practicing lawyer and a

CNN legal analyst. I'm usually joined by my friend Patty Vasquez, but until mid-March she is busy running for office, so I'm going to get right to our

program today and a very special guest that we have joining us. But before I do, I want to thank our

patrons who brought us this episode with special

thanks to Michelle Doe, Eric DeWurst, Edie, James Frommeyer, Jay Gellhausen, Jamie Gordon, Steve Hungsberg, Shaina Wachinsky, and an anonymous patron.

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other places where I get feedback from some of our our patrons to make this show better. So now let's turn to our guest, Joyce Vance.

Many of you know her as an MS NBC legal analyst, she's on that network all the time, but she was also the United States

attorney for the Northern District of Alabama, who was a lead prosecutor in that region

appointed by President Obama, and since that time she had her long career as a federal prosecutor

she now is at the University of Alabama School of Law and doing all sorts of

important work in the private sector as well. So let's bring in Joyce fans. Welcome back to the

podcast Joyce. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you for having me.

I have to say for quite some time we've you know repeatedly been watching Trump interfere in

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