Trump's 80s Movie Approach to Foreign Policy w/ Chris Hayes
Uncanny Valley | WIRED
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4.1 • 572 Ratings
🗓️ 24 March 2026
⏱️ 42 minutes
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For the first episode of our second season, Katie sits down with fellow journalist Chris Hayes, host of MS NOW’S All In, to talk about covering the news and capturing attention during an all-consuming news cycle. And the Trump administration's performance of imperialism as content. Hayes also talks about his book, The Sirens’ Call: How Attention Became the World’s Most Endangered Resource.
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| 0:00.0 | From Wired, this is The Big Interview, and we're in season two. |
| 0:08.0 | I'm Katie Drummond Wired's Global Editorial Director. |
| 0:11.0 | Every week on Tuesdays, I'll be right here, bringing you in-depth conversations with influential figures in tech, culture, politics, business, science, and beyond. |
| 0:20.0 | Together, we'll get to know interesting people |
| 0:21.8 | and tackle the biggest subjects on the planet right now, all through a wired lens. Lately, there's |
| 0:27.7 | been a lot of talk from powerful and influential men, especially on X, who aren't happy with me |
| 0:33.6 | and what Wired's doing right now. I'd like to have some of them on the show this season, but for a pallet cleanser, we're gonna start with another powerful man and fellow journalist who isn't mad, at least not at me. Good evening from New York, I'm Chris Hayes. For many TV viewers in the US, Chris Hayes has become a familiar face and voice in the evening news cycle. |
| 0:54.5 | For over a decade, he's hosted All In with Chris Hayes, the evening news show on MSNBC, |
| 0:59.7 | nowadays known as MS Now. |
| 1:02.0 | The show covers the latest news, and if you hadn't noticed, there's been no shortage |
| 1:06.4 | of that this year. |
| 1:07.4 | Tonight, despite the brutal cold, a massive crowd of anti-ice protesters flooding downtown Minneapolis. |
| 1:14.6 | The Department of Justice releasing its remaining documents from the Jeffrey Epstein investigation. |
| 1:18.6 | The U.S. and Israel have launched strikes on Iran targeting its leadership and escalating tensions across the Middle East. |
| 1:25.6 | That's why I wanted to talk to Chris. |
| 1:28.0 | We're in this moment where everything feels incessantly urgent at the same time, all of it, |
| 1:32.8 | all at once, piling on top of itself. |
| 1:35.4 | Partially because we live in this deluge of information and opinion, and of course, because |
| 1:40.4 | we are in yet another Trump news cycle. |
| 1:43.5 | Few people are better at cutting through the noise and distilling what really matters than Chris. Here's our conversation. Chris Hayes, welcome to the big interview. It's great to be here. I'm a big fan of Wired. I was just telling you that. You guys are doing amazing work over the last year. And I write about Wired. I'm fans of both iterations of Wired because I write about Wired in the book. |
| 2:02.4 | I remember asking my parents for the subscription. |
| 2:05.5 | I think it was like for Christmas and getting it. |
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