Good evening, everybody. It is Steve Schmidt and welcome to this edition of the Warning Conversations with Stephen Beschloss,

filmmaker, author, journalist, and fellow substacker. I urge everybody on here to read his America America substack. It is very good. And one of the things

that I talk about all the time that I write about frequently is the importance of being well-informed.

And the fact of the matter is that all of the information that you need

to be well informed, to know what is happening, is available. You just have to exert the energy

to know where to go and look for it. America, America is a great substack and you spread the word

about it and share it.

And I think as these platforms reach into new places, more and more people hear them,

we help contribute ultimately to a civic renewal, to a civic reawakening that must come as this era ultimately as it must

fades in to the black as it passes by. We have more stormy days ahead of us. We'll talk more

about that, but America, America is a good waypoint, a good

guide to understanding complex issues and complex times. I enjoy it very much. Stephen, we're going to

talk for about 40 minutes, and we're going to answer questions, but right before we came on, word that Rudolph Giuliani,

Mark Meadows, former chief of staff have been indicted by the state of Arizona, the people of

Arizona for election interference in that state. And I think about Rudolph Giuliani in the context of a person who grew up in the state of

New Jersey, 25 miles away from New York City, the mob-busting prosecutor, the New York City, the New York City crime-busting mayor, the 9-11 mayor, America's mayor, someone who was admired by the country, knighted by the queen.

Is there another person that you can think of, contextualize historically, at any point in the last hundred years or so, whose disgrace is as profound as his.

Well, the downward spiral of Rudy Giuliani has been not even fast, but intense and tragic

for the country, accelerating downward,

you know, as you suggest, somebody who was at one time fighting crime,

and suddenly, like so many others, you know,

the more he got absorbed in the orbit of Trump,

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