The Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm John Favra. I'm Dan Feifer.

On today's show with Kamala Harris's VP announcement imminent,

we'll read the tea leaves and talk through the shortlist.

We'll also talk about how, as we suspected,

Trump already seems to be regretting his VP pick and

reports of Project 2025's demise may be greatly exaggerated. But first, the

fallout continues from one of the worst most deranged interviews Donald Trump has ever given, which is saying a lot, his live appearance on Wednesday at the National Association of Black Journalists Convention.

So Lovett and Stacey Abrams reacted in real time on the Wednesday pod, but there have been some

development since then that have kept this story going namely the fact that

Trump and his campaign have decided to double down on his accusation that

Kamala Harris isn't really black and the vice president's response at an event that evening in Houston.

Let's listen first as a refresher to Trump's comments, and then you'll hear what the

VP said in response.

Some of your own supporters, including Republicans on Capitol Hill,

have labeled Vice President Kamala Harris,

who is the first black and Asian American woman

to serve as Vice President president be on a major party

ticket as a DEI hire. Is that acceptable language to you? How do you define

DEA? Go ahead. How do you define? Diversity, equity, inclusion? Okay, yeah, go ahead. define diversity equity inclusion okay yeah go

is that what your definition give is that is that is give me a definition

then would you give me a definition yeah give me a definition

sir I'm asking you a question. No, no, you have to define it.

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