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The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell

Trump refuses to rule out pardon for Ghislaine Maxwell

The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell

NBC News

Policy, Msnbc, Politics, President, Washington, Congress, Government, Senate, News

4.45.9K Ratings

🗓️ 26 July 2025

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Tonight on The Last Word: Epstein co-conspirator Ghislaine Maxwell is granted limited immunity during meetings with Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche. Also, Axios reports Nevada swing state voters are turning on Donald Trump. Plus, the Trump administration backs down and releases over $5 billion in Education Department funds. And a Republican congressman is caught misrepresenting his grandfather’s “legal” immigration story. Lisa Rubin, Rep. Wesley Bell, Margaret Talev, Colorado Attorney General Phil Weiser, and Chase Woodruff join Ali Velshi.

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0:00.0

Now it's time for the last word with Ali Velshi in the anchor chair. Hey, Ali.

0:04.4

Jen, thank you. What a week it's been.

0:25.5

It has been. No doubt. Lots to talk about. And there'll be a lot more next week. So get yourself some rest this weekend. We'll see you on Monday. Thank you. I'll be watching you. Thanks, Jen. Have a good weekend. At the end of the show tonight, by the way, Lawrence is going to be making an appearance. There was a story that he has wanted to do all week, but it didn't make air because of all the Trump-Epstein breaking news.

0:30.0

So Lawrence taped it after the show yesterday, and I'm going to have it at the end of the show tonight.

0:34.1

But we begin tonight with Trump and Epstein breaking news.

0:38.2

Today, Donald Trump made sure the Epstein scandal isn't going anywhere by speaking with reporters in the Trumpiest way possible. He's guaranteed that the scandal stays right where he

0:43.9

doesn't want it to be, front and center. Donald Trump was on his way to Scotland to, among other things,

0:48.6

open a new golf course when he stopped to take some questions about Jeffrey Epstein's co-conspirator,

0:55.3

Gilane Maxwell.

1:01.0

Would you consider a pardon or a commutation for Gleine Maxwell if he's cooperating? It's something I haven't thought about.

1:02.9

It's really something I'm allowed to do it, but it's something I have not thought about.

1:07.2

But you wouldn't rule it out there.

1:09.4

Why have Mr. President?

1:21.0

Well, that wasn't a no. Donald Trump's comments came as the Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche met with Gailene Maxwell and her attorney for the second time this week.

1:27.5

The New York Times reports, quote, Mr. Blanche has described his trip as a neutral fact-finding mission, saying he would share details of the discussion at the appropriate time. Yet he's also declared that the federal criminal investigation

1:32.0

into targets beyond Ms. Maxwell and Mr. Epstein remains closed. By that standard, new interviews

1:40.8

would appear to serve a function beyond the purposes of traditional law enforcement

1:45.1

unless new evidence of criminality has been discovered, current and former officials said.

1:50.3

The department offered Ms. Maxwell conditional immunity to discuss the case, but the protection

1:55.2

did not apply if she lied in her interviews, according to an official with knowledge of the situation,

2:00.4

who requested anonymity to discuss details of the case publicly.

2:04.4

In total, the interview lasted about 8 to 10 hours.

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