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Thank you. Follow the link in the show notes to find out more. As we focus so often on this show,

on the conflicts that continue to rage around the world with no end in sight,

are we sometimes at risk of losing sight of the bigger picture?

As the liberal world order forged at the end of the Second World War fractures,

have we once again entered the era of great power competition?

I'm Oz Katterjee and this is not a drill. Not a Drill. Welcome back to This is Not a Drill.

Joining me today to discuss a troubling new landscape of great power contest and how

liberal values can withstand the rise to prominence of the autocratic leaders of our times

is Stacey Goddard, Professor of political sciences at Wellesley College.

Stacey, welcome to the show. Well, first of all, thank you for having me. And I like the framing

of trying to think about this as a big picture, and whether or not it's Ukraine or Gaza is something

that's happening as a whole. Your research focuses on great power competition

and international security, and you've written recently about the prospect of a new era of

great power contest. Could you tell us a little bit more about your argument? The argument is that

we've been in an era of great power competition for a while, arguably over a decade,

and that we're continuing to see these types of great power conflicts, but in some ways they're

actually taking a bit of a different term under Trump, under Putin, to some extent under Xi as well,

that what we're beginning to see is not only great power

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