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Trump Put His Own Lawyers in Charge of His DOJ Payout

Bulwark Takes

The Bulwark

News, Society & Culture, Politics, News Commentary

4.71.2K Ratings

🗓️ 22 October 2025

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Summary

Sarah Longwell and Sam Stein take on Trump’s latest outrage—a $230 million demand that the Justice Department pay him for investigations into his own crimes. They discuss how Trump installed his own lawyers inside DOJ to approve the payout, why it’s one of his most brazen acts of corruption yet, and what it says about the moral rot at the heart of MAGA politics.

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0:00.0

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0:37.9

Awesome.

0:43.2

But for now, we're going to be discussing what I would argue is maybe the most grifty thing, potentially of the Trump years.

0:46.5

I mean, it's a lot of competition.

0:48.6

It's up there.

0:49.6

It's up there.

0:50.7

It's up there.

0:52.4

Okay.

0:53.1

So this is what happened. There's a story broke from the Times, New York Times this afternoon. The headline says it all. Trump said to demand Justice Department pay him $230 million for past cases. The backstory is that Trump essentially went through the processes where you can more or less counter-sue the Justice Department

1:12.8

for the investigations they launched into him during the Biden years.

1:16.2

And he wanted a settlement for damages of $230 million.

1:19.9

And now that he's president, he's installed the very people at the Justice Department

1:23.6

who would have to sign off on the settlement.

1:25.7

And they might do it.

1:32.7

We might be cutting this guy $230 million check in taxpayer funds.

1:37.0

And boy, I mean, it's incredible.

1:39.3

My mind is blown by this one. One just quick little addition to this is the people that he installed in the Justice Department were his defense attorneys.

1:48.4

I know, right.

1:48.9

Do they get a cut?

1:49.5

He was being sued.

1:51.2

Do they get a cut?

1:52.5

That's a good point.

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