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The NPR Politics Podcast

Trump Pressured Justice Department To Act Based On Baseless Election Fraud Claims

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4.425.7K Ratings

🗓️ 24 June 2022

⏱️ 16 minutes

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Summary

Top Trump-era Justice officials, including acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen, testified about the former president's push to have the Justice Department substantiate his election fraud claims. He came very close to firing the officials who stood in his way and installing one who would not.

And a number of Republicans who supported Trump's efforts to subvert the Democratic process asked the president for pardons, according to the testimony of administration aides.

This episode: White House correspondent Scott Detrow, congressional reporter Claudia Grisales, and national justice correspondent Carrie Johnson.

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0:00.0

Hey there, it's the NPR Politics Podcast.

0:06.4

It is now 6.09 Eastern on Thursday June 23rd.

0:11.0

I'm Scott Detrello, I cover the White House.

0:12.6

I'm Claudia Gidecelli, I cover Congress.

0:14.6

And I'm Carrie Johnson, National Justice Correspondent.

0:17.2

So every hearing so far, the House January 6th Committee has focused on a different aspect

0:22.0

of former President Trump's attempts to overturn the presidential election.

0:26.1

And today's hearing was all about the pressure that Trump put on the Justice Department.

0:31.3

And the handful of top DOJ officials who stood in Trump's way as he tried to get federal

0:36.1

law enforcement involved in keeping him in power.

0:40.1

Here is what Richard Donney, who one of those officials, says Trump told him.

0:43.9

That's not what I'm asking you to do.

0:45.2

What I'm just asking you to do is just say it was corrupt and leave the rest to me

0:48.3

in the Republican Congressman.

0:50.1

Carrie, let's start with this.

0:52.0

We have talked so many times over the past five or so years about what the relationship

0:57.6

between the DOJ and the White House is supposed to be.

1:01.1

And I think it's important to start by reminding us what the usual divisions are and what

1:06.4

the usual firewalls are.

1:08.0

Well, the Justice Department is not supposed to do the president's personal political bidding.

1:13.0

For example, like helping him try to overturn the results of a legal election as it appears

1:18.1

to happen in 2020, and these senior Justice Department officials from the Trump administration

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