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Trump Orders Nuclear Weapons Tests

Amanpour

CNN

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4.11K Ratings

🗓️ 30 October 2025

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

President Trump's long-awaited meeting with China's Xi Jinping has resulted in some success or both sides, with agreements on rare earth minerals and tariffs. But while these deals may be a welcome sign of diplomatic engagement, Trump's unexpected order to start nuclear weapons testing again, for the first time in 30 years, grabbed the bigger headlines. Matt Pottinger was Trump's Deputy National Security Adviser during his first term, and he joins the program from Utah.  Also on today's show: Patrick Gaspard, confidant of NYC mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani; author Julia Ioffe ("Motherland")  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello everyone and welcome to Amunpur. Here's what's coming up.

0:08.0

Trump touts a new deal with Xi and shocks with an order to restart nuclear weapons testing.

0:15.0

What does it mean? The former US Deputy National Security Advisor and China expert Matt Pottinger joins me. And unspeakable

0:23.6

horror and carnage in Sudan. Nada Bashir brings us a chilling report about the people trapped

0:29.7

in a bloody civil war. Then the Zoran Mamdani effect, a name now known around the world, and

0:37.1

New Yorkers begin voting for their next mayor.

0:40.3

I speak to a close confident and campaigner, Ambassador Patrick Gaspar.

0:45.3

Plus, Motherland, author Julia Joffi speaks with Michel Martin about surprising feminist history of modern Russia. The United Russia. Welcome to the program, everyone. I'm Christiana Manpur in London.

1:20.8

President Trump's long-awaited meeting with China's leader, Xi Jinping, has resulted in

1:26.2

some success for both sides with agreements on

1:28.7

rare earth minerals and tariffs. But while these deals may be a welcome sign of diplomatic

1:34.0

engagement, Trump's unexpected order to start nuclear weapons testing again for the first time

1:39.7

in 33 years grabbed the bigger headlines. Matt Pottinger served as the president's deputy national

1:46.0

security advisor during his first term, and he was a particularly influential voice regarding

1:51.0

the administration's China policy, and he's joining the program live now from Utah.

1:57.0

Matt Pottinger, welcome to the program.

2:02.6

Thanks, Christian. We're good to be with you. So tell me, is this a big deal?

2:07.6

Give me the sort of the wins and loses, if any, on what Xi got, what Trump got, what China got, what the U.S. got out of their meeting.

2:16.6

Yeah, so this is the first time that President Trump has met in person with Xi Jinping in six

2:24.3

years. It was back in Osaka at the G20 in 2019 that they last met. So I would call it sort of

2:32.3

a fragile truce on trade matters that came out of this.

2:37.8

China is not going forward with its most draconian threat, which was to regulate all trade between

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