Trump on Trial — Again
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🗓️ 9 February 2021
⏱️ 26 minutes
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Summary
After the insurrection at the nation's capitol on January 6th, the House of Representatives impeached Donald Trump for a second time. The only article charges him with high crimes and misdemeanors for inciting a riot. There's no shortage of evidence backing up that claim, but the politics make it an open question if the senate will convict.
Guest: Dahlia Lithwick, host of Slate’s Amicus podcast
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| 0:00.0 | So here we are, impeaching Donald Trump one more time. |
| 0:09.6 | Do you have a sense of deja vu right now? |
| 0:12.2 | None. |
| 0:14.5 | Slate's Dahlia Lithwick has always been my impeachment buddy. |
| 0:18.3 | So yesterday, I called her up and asked her to give me an impeachment |
| 0:22.0 | preview again. I have no sense of deja vu, both because a year ago is like 10 kaffillion glacial |
| 0:31.1 | ages. Like, I'm trying to remember how I felt the night before the impeachment trial in the Senate a year ago, and I can't even recall. |
| 0:41.1 | Also, it was a totally different enterprise, right? |
| 0:45.1 | I think at the time, Democrats were trying to explain this unbelievably complicated arcane conspiracy theory with 100 players and all these witnesses. And now it's the |
| 0:58.6 | opposite, right? Like it's like roll tape. Everybody saw it. It's not complicated at all. |
| 1:06.3 | Last month, Dahlia interviewed the lawyer who helped lead the House impeachment proceedings the first time around. |
| 1:13.5 | She wanted to know how he saw this sequel. |
| 1:17.2 | He just sounded as though the inexorable lesson he learned from 1.0 is that it's just not a legal proceeding and that he had taken, you know, years of |
| 1:31.1 | history, having prosecuted the mob, having, you know, prevailed in big mob trials and big white |
| 1:37.3 | collar conspiracy trials, that he went into this proceeding thinking it was a legal proceeding |
| 1:43.4 | and walked away, realizing it was politics all the way down. |
| 1:47.7 | And the thing he said, Mary, that really has stuck with me is, if this were a legal proceeding, half of the people who are jurors would have to be excluded, right? |
| 1:59.1 | They were either eyewitnesses or victims. Some of them were implicated. |
| 2:03.6 | If this were a trial, on opening day, you go to the judge and you say, you know, strike this |
| 2:08.8 | juror, strike this juror, this person can't be here, this person has a conflict of interest. |
| 2:13.7 | None of that's going to happen. What Dahlia is getting at here is that the impeachment proceedings we're about to watch, |
| 2:20.4 | they can't possibly meet our usual standards of fairness. |
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