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I'm Jonathan Cape Heart and welcome to Cape Up.

It's election day, but I want to give you something to do other than obsessively hit

refresh on your midterm election results browser.

I want you to have a listen to James and Deborah Fallows.

They traveled more than a hundred thousand miles across America.

And in this time of division and hatred where it seems like we're coming apart at the

seams, they came away with an optimistic vision of America. Don't think that's

possible? Hear what they have to say right now.

Deborah and James Fallows, welcome to the podcast.

Thank you, Jonathan.

We are delighted to be here.

And me too.

So I wanted you to come on the on the podcast. One you have

it you have a book your co-authors of a book. It's entitled Our Towns a

hundred thousand mile journey into the heart of America and

uh... spoiler alert

it's a positive book they see positive things

i want to get to that. But on this day when people are going to the polls

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