With an unjustified, unexplained war spreading in the Middle East, with ice rampaging through various American cities, with tariffs going up and down and up and down depending on the day, Donald Trump's polling is continued to edge downward every week.

And yet the approval rating of the Democratic Party

is still stuck near its all-time low, according to Gallup and other surveys.

One interpretation of these polls, one obvious interpretation,

is that the deep unpopularity of that letter D at the end of a candidate's name

is a huge

albatross around Democratic candidates nationwide. But there's another interpretation that I think

is more interesting and perhaps more true. The fact that the party has no clearly defined

leader, no clearly defined brand to use the dreaded B word,

is an opportunity for young Democrats to define it for themselves.

Rather than act like a congregation all singing from the same hymnal,

they can experiment, disagree, adapt their message to the electorate.

Today's guest is Arizona Senator Ruben Gallego.

I think Gallego is interesting because he's hard to pin down.

He's deeply critical of the Trump administration on immigration, obviously,

but he was also deeply critical of the Biden administration on immigration.

While the concept of abundance, ideas from the book that I co-wrote with Ezra Klein,

are often held up in direct opposition to

economic populism. Diago is a proponent of Abundance principles who also isn't afraid to talk about

taking on corporate power and even breaking up companies. He's someone who could be plausibly

accused of being a moderate, but he questions the very concept of moderation.

Today we talk about the latest in the Iran War before talking a bit about why the Democratic

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