Hey, everybody. It's Tim over from the bulwark. I'm here with our old friend, Caitlin Robertson, who I'm just, I kind of feel like his mother here or something. I'm happy. He's in Davos, which feels a little safer than where we're usually talking to him from near a war zone in Ukraine. But I want an update on what's happening both in Ukraine and also in Davos and how they're intersecting. So how you doing, man? I'm really good. Thanks for having me back on again. Yeah, of course, of course. One of the reason I want to have you back on is I just want to admit, even myself, I forget somebody on the pod who is just kind of updating me on the latest in Ukraine. And I was like, I realized that I've gotten out of my habit of reading the, you know, the key post and reading my updates. And you come in my feed from time to time, but of actually seeking out news.

And it feels like just the conditions for Ukrainians has gotten worse this winter in a way

that's maybe not out of, maybe out of the eye of a lot of the news because all the other crazy shit going on. And so I just, I kind of wanted to talk to you about that. Like, you know, how are things going? Obviously, it's winter. It's getting cold. Russia's attacking, you know, energy sites. Like, what's happening on the ground in Ukraine? Well, I only laughed a few days ago, but this is the coldest winter in years.

It's the coldest winter I've ever seen in Ukraine.

The temperature has gone down to minus 20 Celsius, which is absolutely below freezing.

It's the first time the Danipra River is frozen over, probably in decades, people are walking to the other side.

And it's the time that Russians have been hitting the city more intensely, specifically with energy and thermal, than they ever have since the beginning of the full-scale invasion.

So as of today, from last night's missile attacks, 6,000 buildings, not just houses, but high-rise buildings,

are now without water, without power. And if you look at a map of Keeve, the entire left side of the city

that separated by the river is totally pitch black. I just got off of my partner off the phone.

And he was staring out over the skyline and he was like, I've never seen it where you can

just see the outline of building. So it's catastrophic. It's becoming verging on a humanitarian catastrophe. The mayor of Keeve last week said, if you have the ability to leave Keeve, then he would recommend temporarily doing so, which no politician has said before. And there are these kind of refugee style tents. They're called resilient centers at the base of all these apartment buildings, so these bright orange tents

all throughout the city so that people can get water, people can get warm, people can charge

their devices. And it's starting to look like a full-blown, a full-blown crisis because Russia's

decided to put everything into energy now. And I went and visited a lot of the energy workers

a couple of days before I left here, I interviewed them about how they keep

things going. And they explained it. It takes sometimes years to rebuild a power station. If you put a

missile into a substation, especially a substation that was built, you know, 50 years ago under the Soviet

system, those parts don't exist anymore. It's extremely difficult to rebuild. So it's causing

absolute havoc in Ukraine. This is the absolute worst winter

I've ever seen the city. And I think it'll be different. The city that I left a few days ago

is not even the same state. It's the city that it's going to be when I arrived back this weekend.

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