Trump Indictment's Dangerous Legal Precedent
The Rich Zeoli Show
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🗓️ 13 June 2023
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The Rich Zeoli Show- Hour 1:
- On Tuesday, former President Donald Trump pleaded not guilty in federal court in Miami, Florida. Trump has been charged with 37 criminal counts related to his alleged mishandling of classified documents and subsequent refusal to surrender them to authorities upon request. This is the first time a former U.S. President has faced federal criminal charges. You can read more about Trump’s indictment, and his not guilty plea, here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/06/13/trump-miami-court-indictment-hearing/
- Now that Donald Trump has been charged by a rival administration, will this set a dangerous precedent moving forward? If Republicans take the White House in 2024, can we expect charges against prominent Democrat officials?
- In an article for Just the News, journalist John Solomon writes about the Bill Clinton “Sock Drawer” defense and how it relates to Donald Trump’s legal troubles: “[t]he case in question is titled Judicial Watch v. National Archives and Records Administration and it involved an effort by the conservative watchdog to compel the Archives to forcibly seize hours of audio recordings that Clinton made during his presidency with historian Taylor Branch…U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson in Washington D.C. ultimately rejected Judicial Watch's suit by concluding there was no provision in the Presidential Records Act to force the National Archives to seize records from a former president.” Concluding “that a president's discretion on what are personal vs. official records is far-reaching and solely his, as is his ability to declassify or destroy records at will.” You can read Solomon’s full article here: https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/old-case-over-audio-tapes-bill-clintons-sock-drawer-could-impact
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| 0:30.0 | It's a day, it's gonna be a day, and it is a day, as a lot's going on in Miami right now. We'll talk about it. As the former president of the United States pleads guilty to, not guilty to 37 charges in the documents case. Yeah, not guilty. Welcome to the show, glad you're here. 855-839-1210 on Twitter at Rich Zioly, and you know what? As I'm watching this entire media obsession with this, and obviously there's, I mean, it's just on every |
| 1:00.0 | channel, it's on every network, it's camped out people outside the courthouse, the motorcade, they were doing the whole OJ Simpson following the motorcade all around. I can't help but think that this looks like a clown show to the entire world. It really does. A clown show, because this is the former president of the United States of America, and the government is going after him much like we go after political enemies in countries around the world all the time. And this is not the way the United States of America does business. |
| 1:30.0 | And yet here we are right now at this moment, the espionage act completely ridiculous charges against them, the espionage act, the espionage act. I mean, just think about that for a moment, alleging that the former president of the United States of America is guilty of violating the espionage act, and even if you believe that he should have returned those documents, even if you believe he shouldn't have had those documents to argue that he violated the espionage act of the United States of America, |
| 2:00.0 | it's just ludicrous. And this is why I think the prosecution is going to lose because these charges are just so over the top. They really are. They're over the top. And the presidential records act covers this. And there is more than a way as I've been explaining ever since this happened on Friday. There is more than enough of a way for the archivist to pursue civil charges against the president and have a federal judge order the documents returned under the civil proceedings. And all of that could have occurred without the FBI rating Mar-a-Lago to find things |
| 2:30.0 | because they didn't even know what they what they were looking for. They just knew that there were things there. And so they rated Mar-a-Lago to find things. And I think that if you are somebody who looks at this and thinks this is okay, even if you don't support Trump, it's okay. I mean, even if you don't support Trump, even if you think that he should not be president again, even if you want somebody else to think that this is okay. What's happening right now in our country. This is the exact weaponization of government, but it's also something that |
| 3:00.0 | I've been talking about for years, which is the over criminalization of our justice system, where if the government wants to get you, they'll find something. And in this case, they literally did. They went to Mar-a-Lago not knowing what was there to find something. And then they found it. And then they said, how do we charge him? What do we use? And they went to the to the big one, the espionage act, because they want to get him. And they want to put him away for life. And there's 37 charges, meaning that they can just get him on one count. |
| 3:29.4 | And that's it. They're all way the key. Lock him up. They're all way the key. And as I think about this, and I think about a theme that I've talked about for years and years and years, which is our federal government has become so incredibly focused on its law enforcement powers that they don't even know how many laws are on the books. They tried counting years ago. They had to give up. They did. They had to give up. How many rules and how many laws and how many |
| 3:59.4 | rules that Promo gave with administrative and punitive punishments, jail time, heavy fines, all these things. They gave up. They just gave up. They couldn't even, they couldn't even do it. There's too much. Too much to do. |
| 4:13.4 | The over criminalization of our government directed at people across the country used to be something that the left was concerned about. And there was this glimpse of bipartisanship where people came together on both sides to say, we got to do something about federal criminal justice reform. |
| 4:28.4 | It was just too much from the war on drugs down to all these other little punitive little EPA rules and everything else like we got to do something about this and they tried and they tried. |
| 4:41.4 | But in this case now, I think it plays out for us on national TV. You know, they want to stop this guy from becoming president and they charge him under an act that when Congress passed this act, they never thought it would apply to a former president of the United States of America, the espionage act. They never did. |
| 4:56.4 | And to argue that Donald Trump committed espionage or was engaged in doing anything to hurt the United States of America by having these documents in his possession is absurd. |
| 5:05.4 | You know that the, we don't even know what document. We don't even know if the document exists. You know the document that's on tape where Trump says allegedly where he says, I could have declassified this when I was president. I can't now look at it. Still secret. |
| 5:19.4 | Do you know that we don't even know if that document exists? They don't know which document it is. Don't even know if it exists. |
| 5:24.4 | I mean, that's amazing to me about that. That's the smoking gun and they don't even have it. They don't even have it. |
| 5:32.4 | That's literally what the government's entire case is based on. I Trump admitted that he had something in his possession that was classified. |
| 5:40.4 | But they don't even know what that document is. If it even exists, he could have showed them a menu from Mar-a-Lago for all they know and said, yes, it's top secret. |
| 5:47.4 | And it was just trying to brag and be, you know, a little bravado to impress a writer. But they have no idea what the document is. That, that piece of the story and I tweeted about this earlier today. |
| 5:58.4 | How is that not a bigger story here? I just that aspect of it. You know the hill.com publishes piece and I shared the piece. I at least that paragraph of it. |
| 6:07.4 | But I just cannot believe this is not a bigger deal. This is what the hill.com story says, quote, Trump claimed he had a document about a plan of attack on Iran. |
| 6:15.4 | That showed it was Millie's idea, General Mark Millie. And he admitted he knew the document was secret and not declassified by him, contradicting some of his claims in the case. |
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