Well, let's keep trying to understand the January 6th and big lie indictment of Donald Trump.

We'll assume you know some of the basics by now of 45 page indictment, 4 counts, 6 unindicted

co-conspirators, widely believed to include Rudy Giuliani and others.

The basic charges include 3 conspiracies to defraud the United States, to corruptly obstruct

the January 6th proceedings in Congress, and perhaps most interestingly and most importantly,

a conspiracy against the right to vote and to have one vote counted.

For us now, NYU Law Professor Andrew Weissman, former General Counsel to the FBI, a lead

investigator in the Donald Trump Russia investigation under Robert Mueller, an author of the book

on that experience where law ends inside the Mueller investigation, and he's an MSNBC legal

analyst.

Andrew, I know you've been on the air so much over the last day, so we really appreciate

you making some time for us again.

Welcome back to WNYC.

Always great to be here, Brian.

To start on the big picture, was this more or less the indictment of Trump you were expecting

or did special counsel Jack Smith surprise you in any big ways?

So, just to sound like a lawyer, the answer to that is yes, in that it is the indictment

that I think we all were expecting.

It does follow very much the framework of the January 6th Committee and is a huge debt

to them in terms of uncovering the facts.

Obviously, there are some additional facts because they were able to get the testimony of

the vice president, former vice president, and that's clearly reflected in the allegations.

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