Hi, Nicole. I want to hold you over, and I'll tell everyone we're going into the news tonight, Epstein Fallout. I got all that stuff going on. There's always a lot going on, but I've been listening to your podcast. You had Jimmy Jam on, and you had this great convo, both, I loved hearing his thoughts about working with Prince, everything he's done. But also hearing another side of you,

honestly, because you were talking about how music transports you to a room and just what you

want to learn from him, how cool you think he is as a person. Tell us about that, because we put

some of this up to plug it, because I really enjoyed the convo. Well, so I sent it to you because I

feel like I sit there on the big nights, and I am am just in awe and I mostly try to not get called on when you, you know, when you go into these spaces with all your expertise about music.

But Jimmy Jam is someone that I felt like I had a winning lottery ticket when a mutual friend gave me his number and suggested I call him

when I, you were always supportive of this ever too. I was trying to raise money for Ukraine.

And we put on an hour of music. And the first time I talked to Jimmy Jam, I remember where I was

sitting. It was one of those conversations that just imprints on your brain. He started talking

about the power of music.

And it was sort of coming out of COVID going into the war in Ukraine. There was so much suffering at home. There were so much, there were so many places that art and music could sort

of turn its healing powers. But Jimmy Jam didn't look at it as we could do this or that. It was about

sort of the magic of art and music to bring us together and lift us up. And he's so cool that it

didn't sound as cheesy as I just made it sound, which is why I have to listen to the whole podcast.

He's just the real deal. And then, and then, you know, oh, by the way, he's the person that everyone calls when they want to make, you know, some of their best and most iconic records and music. And he has stories like the one I just played of Janet Jackson and Michael Jackson that you just sit there with your, you know, you depict your job off the desk because he's just amazing. So thank you for listening to it.

No, of course. And I'll jump in a sec. But what did you think of the way he described competitive

creativity? Because you've come out of politics. What's more competitive than jostling inside a White House

in journalism? We deal with that. And it was so interesting to hear that way you two discussed that.

Well, what I love was his story about how Janet, you know, kind of got out of it.

You know, so she said, oh, you know, I need to rest my voice.

And she got herself into a space where she felt like she could be and do her best.

And so what I thought, you know,

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