There are so many people I know who are otherwise intelligent people, but they still have this trumped arrangement syndrome, which is real. I had it. I know what it feels like.

Yeah. And all they can think about is abortion and in issues that I'm sorry, in California, you're never going to have to worry about that. We now have a constitutional right to abortion from start to finish of pregnancy.

But they just can't, they can't think about anything else.

They don't think about the economy or their own children.

And so I don't know how to reach those people.

It's time for the Michelle Tofoya podcast.

Julie Hamill is an attorney.

She's lived in California all of her life outside of the four years she left for law school in Washington, D.C.

So she's been exposed to a lot of different kinds of people,

but a lot of the same points of view.

This story is really reflective of a lot of what has gone on in America,

in many households, maybe even your own, certainly in mine, since 2016.

I encourage you to listen to her.

She is a breath of fresh air, and she's really humble about how her mind has evolved.

Let's put it that way.

You're going to hear from Julie Hamill.

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