It's the Ralph Nader Radio Hour.

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You've been sitting way too long.

Welcome to the Ralph Nader Radio Hour. My name is Steve Scrovan along with my co-host David

Hello David. Hello. journalist and long-time chronicler of Donald Trump's shady escapades. He founded the site DC

report which describes what the president and Congress do, not just what they say, and he's going to expound upon Donald Trump's ongoing crime spree.

It's always fun to have David K. Johnston on and that's just the first part of the show.

In the second half of the show we're going to talk about corporate denial.

The great muck-breaking journalist Upton Sinclair once said,

it is difficult to get a man to understand something

when his salary depends on his not understanding it.

This has never been truer when we talk about the oil industry.

After decades of apparently not understanding, ExxonMobil has finally acknowledged that there is a climate crisis.

Promising news except ExxonMobil hasn't actually changed anything they're doing.

They say they recognize that a warming planet is a tremendous disruption to human life on the planet,

but they aren't acting like it. They haven't cut production, and they're still funding people

and organizations who deny the crisis. And Exxon is just one example of corporate denial, but there are also many corporations

who have been running ruthless campaigns to undermine science, deny evidence, rationalize

their harmful activities, in many other areas throughout history.

Our first guest, Barbara Freese, has a long history of taking on corporate denial as an environmental

attorney she cross-examined coal industry witnesses

were disputing the science of climate change. Her new book, Industrial Strength Denial

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