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Laura Lumer correspondent, Jonathan Cohn, who happens to also write about policy for us,

but his latest newsletter at the breakdown did cover Laura Lumer, and it was for a real reason.

She has weighed into the Medicaid debates in

the surprising fashion. All right, Cohn, what is the state of play with the Medicaid cuts here and how

House Republicans are structuring? What is essentially the only real major piece of legislation that

they're going to be considering this year? Yeah, well, the state of play is I'm writing about

Laura Lumer, which is not something I signed up to do with his job. I thought we hired Will Summer for that, but apparently it's not enough. I actually had to ask Will Summer. I'm like, can you give me, like, how do I sum up Laura Lumer in a sentence? So I'm really glad you did hire. Well, one day he's going to pay it back and you're going to have to describe how to, you know, talk about Medicaid policy to him for a newsletter.

But we'll see.

All right. So I'm really glad you did hire. Well, one day he's going to pay it back and you're going to have to describe how to,

you know, talk about Medicaid policy to him for a newsletter. But we'll see. All right. What's the state of play on this substantive stuff here? Right, right. So the big picture, right, they want to pass a tax cut. They're trying to pay for part of the cost by cutting Medicaid. Big argument in the Republican Party. You have the Medicaid cutters, people,

you know, historically, programs too big. We don't look like it. We want to downsize it, shift more

responsibility onto the states. We want up to, you know, $800, $900,000 billion in cut.

Billion. With a B. And that's over 10 years. But that's a, you know, as we like to say, you know, as we like to say, that's the sort of push. And, you know, on the flip side, you have moderates and not just moderates. It's not even so much about ideology, but it's it's, it's, it's, it's, senators and house members in particular, because right now we're in the house

who are like, wait a minute, got a lot of people in my district on Medicaid, a lot more

than it used to have because we've expanded it. If those people lose it, that's going to be

a problem. And it's not just to be clear, it, the expansion, it's also coincided with these interesting political

coalition changes that have seen many more rural rights go into Republican camps here.

These are the Trump voters who are on Medicaid.

And Republicans are like, wait a second, we just recruited these people into our political coalition. And now we're going to rip apart their health care. It doesn't make much sense. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll just give you sort of two examples of how that plays off in real life. So, I mean, Medicaid is a huge, huge financier of substance abuse treatment. So if you think about put, think of a map where the opioid epidemic was most of the year, right?

Where are you talking about Appalachia, West Virginia?

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