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Trump calls alleged smugglers 'unlawful combatants'. That term has a history.

Consider This from NPR

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🗓️ 2 November 2025

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Summary

The legal definition of the term 'unlawful combatants' was used to justify detaining people at Guantanamo indefinitely, without ever charging them with a crime. Now, the president is using it to describe the alleged drug smugglers that the military is targeting with boat strikes.

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0:00.0

After the attacks on September 11, 2001, the George W. Bush administration arrested hundreds of suspected terrorists.

0:08.0

Most of them were never criminally charged and eventually let go.

0:11.5

Some spent years in inhumane conditions, even though they had no connection to the Taliban or Al-Qaeda.

0:17.2

In 2002, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld visited Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where many of those prisoners were being held, and described them using this term.

0:26.9

And one of the most important aspects of the Geneva Convention is the distinction between lawful combatants and unlawful combatants.

0:35.4

By labeling them unlawful combatants, the U.S. said it was justified in holding them indefinitely without trial and denying them international legal protections.

0:44.8

The Trump administration is now applying the same term to people onboard boats it's blowing up because it says they're transporting drugs from South America.

0:53.8

The language here matters.

0:55.8

It underpins the legal arguments presidents make to justify their actions.

1:00.2

Here's current Defense Secretary Pete Hegeseth, referring to the cartels that ship drugs from the Southern Hemisphere to the United States.

1:06.5

So our message to these foreign terrorist organizations is we will treat you like we have treated

1:12.5

al-Qaeda.

1:14.7

Consider this.

1:16.1

President Trump is now applying the post-9-11 term unlawful enemy combatant to very

1:21.5

different circumstances.

1:23.1

What are the wider legal implications of that language?

1:31.1

From the wider legal implications of that language. From NPR, I'm Sasha Fyfer.

1:36.3

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