Hey, everybody, Tim Miller from The Bullwork.

I am here with Justin Elliott of ProPublica who had a piece out today that caught my eye.

It's titled Trump's Own Mortgages, Match His Description of Mortgage Fraud, Records Reveal.

Shocker, I'm shocked to hear this.

But for folks who, you know, have been following this, you know, Donald Trump has had Bill Pulte

in the government going after, you know, going through a, with a fine-tuned tooth comb through the

mortgage papers of everybody he hates and all of his political enemies looking for opportunities.

And it turns out maybe they should have been looking inside the house.

So Justin, thanks for coming on.

Yeah, yeah, thanks for having me.

Give us a rundown of how you got to this story.

I guess when you saw Bill Pulte going after Lisa Cook and Letitia James just figured you'd go into the Trump records?

Or what was the origin here?

Yeah, I mean, so the first thing is to make, to be clear,

and I hate to argue against the sexiness of my own story, but this is a story that is not

about us thinking that Trump actually committed fraud. It's a story about Trump committing what

Trump describes as fraud. And I think that's, that's an important distinction.

So basically when Bill Pulte, you know, the FHFA had several months ago started throwing around

allegations of mortgage fraud against various of, you know, Trump's political enemies, my colleagues

and I, you know, we've looked at mortgage documents.

There are certain mortgage documents that you can get in the public domain at, like,

the county clerk's office typically.

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