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The Two Matts

Trump blinks – but don’t relax yet!

The Two Matts

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News, News Commentary, Government, Politics

4.4523 Ratings

🗓️ 10 April 2025

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

The Assisted Dying Bill gave the Matts plenty to think about a few months ago. Since then much has changed as it made its way through parliament. Has any of it changed the Matts’ minds? The answer is yes - but it’s a nuanced and challenging difficult debate without any easy answers. All the more reason to have it, in true Two Matts style. But first - as Trump doubles down on his trade war with China (or is it now trebles or even quadruples down? We’ve lost count!), the Matts assess the intellectual coherence of those saying we should thank Brexit, and they also think about the long term effects of an effective shutdown of trade between two of the world’s greatest markets. Enjoy!


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Hi there, this is Matt Kelly, the editor-in-chief of the New European newspaper and one half of the

0:05.9

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1:45.9

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1:48.0

This episode of The Two Mats was recorded just before President Trump announced a 90-day

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