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Radical with Amol Rajan

Trump and the Era of the Deal

Radical with Amol Rajan

BBC

Society & Culture

4.5919 Ratings

🗓️ 23 January 2025

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

Nick reports from Jerusalem on the ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas and Amol is joined by the former head of MI6 to talk about global security now that Donald Trump is back in the White House. Sir Alex Younger, who was Chief of the Secret Intelligence Service from 2014 until 2020, explains why he thinks we are “moving into the era of the deal” and why that makes the world “more hazardous”. To get Amol and Nick's take on the biggest stories and insights from behind the scenes at the UK's most influential radio news programme make sure you hit subscribe on BBC Sounds. That way you’ll get an alert every time we release a new episode, and you won’t miss our extra bonus episodes either. GET IN TOUCH: * Send us a message or a voice note via WhatsApp to +44 330 123 4346 * Email today@bbc.co.uk The Today Podcast is hosted by Amol Rajan and Nick Robinson who are both presenters of BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. Amol was the BBC’s media editor for six years and is the former editor of the Independent, he’s also the current presenter of University Challenge. Nick has presented the Today programme since 2015, he was the BBC’s political editor for ten years before that and also previously worked as ITV’s political editor. This episode was made by Lewis Vickers with Izzy Rowley and Grace Reeve. Digital production was by David Kaplowitz. The technical producer was Dafydd Evans. The editor is Louisa Lewis. The executive producer is Owenna Griffiths.

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:04.8

Is the world safer with Donald Trump back in the White House?

0:08.8

That is the question we're asking on this episode of the Today podcast.

0:12.7

In a week when the world changed,

0:14.7

when perhaps we stumbled into a new era

0:17.3

and history could be heard live on air on the Today program.

0:20.8

As we record this on Wednesday morning, the ceasefire in Gaza is holding,

0:24.9

and the people who live there who have seen so much death and destruction will be hoping that that continues.

0:31.4

So too will the families and friends of the hostages who remain in Gaza,

0:35.0

because this deal brings them closer to freedom. But although there

0:39.5

is peace for now in Gaza, there has been an escalation in the violence in the occupied West Bank.

0:47.0

Nick has been in Jerusalem for the today program. We're going to catch up with him to find out

0:50.6

what he's been hearing from the Israelis and Palestinians he's been speaking to

0:54.6

over the past few days in the course of his reporting. And I'm going to be joined by a friend

0:59.0

of this podcast, a familiar voice on this podcast, and indeed the today program, the former

1:03.4

head of MI6, a man who used to be known as C, he was the most powerful and influential spy

1:09.7

in this country, very extensive experience

1:11.7

in that region, but also advising the British government on the wider world.

1:15.9

It's Sir Alex Younger.

1:17.4

I'm going to put to him the question I started with, is the world more secure with Donald

1:21.9

Trump back in the White House?

1:24.7

Let's do it.

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