Trump and Reform are right on immigration
Planet Normal
Louisa Wells
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🗓️ 24 September 2025
⏱️ 64 minutes
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Summary
With Trump giving a dressing down to the UN and Starmer clinging on amid yet more scandals, there is no shortness of madness for your co-pilots to get their teeth into!
Returning crew member Danny Kruger straps in to explain why he defected to Reform after so many years in the Conservative Party and he admits he feels ‘guilty’.
Allison shares her disgust and anger at the government's shameful decision to recognise a state of Palestine, with Hamas calling it a ‘victory and one of the fruits of October seventh’. Having just returned from Israel with a very moving interview, Allison fears for the safety of the remaining hostages.
Meanwhile Liam sees his worst fears confirmed as the UK becomes an ‘inflation outlier’ as the increasing ramifications of dealing with mass immigration is looking like it is leading to potentially ruinous fiscal costs.
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| 0:43.6 | Five. |
| 0:45.0 | It is not normal for a country to have millions of foreign people claiming benefits. |
| 0:52.7 | Four. |
| 0:54.3 | I think of reform as basically being about restoration, not revolution. |
| 0:58.4 | Three. |
| 0:59.9 | UK is killing its own economy by not exploiting the North Sea. |
| 1:06.0 | Even sort of state bodies like the Office for Budget Responsibility have changed their tune on immigration |
| 1:12.5 | because guess what, when the facts change, you should change your mind. |
| 1:20.0 | Welcome once again to Planet Normal, the Telegraph podcast with Alison Pearson. |
| 1:26.4 | Hello. |
| 1:27.0 | And me, Liam Halligan. |
| 1:28.6 | Your countries are going to hell because of mass immigration. |
| 1:32.0 | So said President Trump, talking to the UK and Europe in particular, as he addressed |
| 1:36.2 | the United Nations earlier this week. |
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