I'm Brian Lerer. This is my daily politics podcast from WNYC Studios. It's Thursday, January 6th.

One way to look at the events of last January 6th is that the violent break-in at the Capitol

has been the focus of too much attention

for the past year because the bigger crime was the attempt by Trump and his allies in Congress

to block certification of the election through the peaceful political process. As it happens,

former Trump trade advisor Peter Navarro, a member of Trump's inner circle on January 6th, has a new book called Trump Time that with no apparent shame describes what they were trying to do and basically says, they would have gotten away with it, were it not for the rioters discrediting their moment.

Here is Peter Navarro on MSNBC this week, describing the plan

that they actually had a name for, the Green Bay sweep. The plan was simply this. We had over

100 congressmen and senators on Capitol Hill ready to implement the sweep. The sweep was simply

that. We were going to challenge the results of the election in the six battleground states.

They were Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Wisconsin, Nevada.

And basically, these were the places where we believe that if the votes were sent back to those battleground states and looked at again that there would be enough concern amongst the legislatures that most or all of those states would decertify the election that would throw the election to the House of Representatives.

And I would say to you here, Ari, that all of this, again, it was in the lanes legally.

It was prescribed by the Constitution.

There is a provision to go rather than through the Electoral College to the House of Representatives.

And all this required was peace and calm on Capitol Hill.

And at 1 p.m., Ted Cruz, Senator Ted Cruz and Gosart, a representative started the Green Bay

sweep beautifully challenging the results of Arizona.

So that's Peter Navarro, not the best-known Trump ally, but one of the most important on January 6th,

speaking with Ari Melburgh on MSNBC on Tuesday night, as they've been saying, saying the quiet part out loud.

With me now, Amanda Carpenter, political columnist for The Bullwork,

a news and opinion site founded by conservatives who did not support Donald Trump. Carpenter is also

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