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Hey there. It's the NPR Politics Podcast for Wednesday, January 14th. I'm Miles Parks. I cover voting.

I'm Jimenez. And I'm Higna Buccio, and I cover immigration. And I'm Franco Ordonez. I cover the White House.

And we are recording this podcast at 1222 p.m. on Wednesday. And today on the show, we're looking at the continuing fallout from the shooting of Renee Maclin Good in Minnesota. There are a lot of unanswered questions still, including what this will mean for the future of immigration enforcement under President Trump.

Jimena, I want to start there. One thing that there have been a lot of questions about in the week or so since the shooting is training. The administration has been rapidly expanding its immigration

enforcement efforts, which means a lot of new hires and potentially people put into situations

quickly that they haven't been in before. But it's unclear to me on whether that is relevant

here when it comes to what happened in Minnesota. Right. And even Homeland Security Secretary

Kristi Noem brought up that the agent that was involved in that shooting had been following

his training. And so what the rules and protocols are are something that is being brought up on both

sides by critics that say that there's not enough training or we need to look at the tactics

and protocol and even the administration that is doubling down,

saying that everything was followed essentially to a T.

You know, beyond just what is the training, what's in the handbook.

You know, I've spoken with people formally in the agency that say it's also really important to look out for what is the directive and what is the direction being given by leadership on the ground.

And, you know, we really are seeing this tougher language coming directly from those who are involved with the rank and file on the ground, namely Border Patrol commander Greg Bovino,

who has been leading a lot of the operations in the Midwest, you know, gave a deposition where

he outlined his thinking.

Have you instructed your officers that they should go hard against people for the way that they're talking, speaking, who they're affiliated with, and who they're funded with.

I've told my officers to go hard against people that are advocating threats, violence, death.

And I think one thing to keep in mind here is both what Bovino is saying

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