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THE DAILY BLAST with Greg Sargent

Trump Accidentally Admits What He Really Thinks of MAGA Voters

THE DAILY BLAST with Greg Sargent

The New Republic

News, Politics

4.4 • 800 Ratings

🗓️ 20 April 2026

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

Donald Trump just erupted at MAGA allies for opposing his war. In one tirade, he attacked Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly and others as “FAKE MAGA.” In another, he slammed them as “Low IQ.” Similarly, his pollster, John McLaughlin, claimed the MAGA base “doesn’t consider” those critics “conservative” anymore. So disagreeing with Trump intrinsically makes you non-MAGA? This reveals Trump believes MAGA is whatever he says it is at any given moment—that Trump and his pollster really do view MAGA as a cult. We’ve written about this dynamic before, but decided it was worth a pod episode. So we talked to New Republic staff writer Perry Bacon, author of a great piece on Trump and the global right. We discuss why Trump’s international and domestic allies are deserting him, how his excommunication of top MAGA figures is shrinking the movement, why Trump believes he can control the minds of his voters, and why all this could hurt GOP chances of holding the Senate.  Looking for More from the DSR Network? Click Here: https://linktr.ee/deepstateradio Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:59.5

Is MAGA shrinking before our very eyes?

1:05.7

In recent days, Donald Trump unleashed more tirades about ex-allies in the MAGA movement who've criticized him over the war and other things.

1:09.3

Trump's own pollster added more in a new interview,

1:12.2

with both saying Trump's critics don't count as MAGA anymore. In a sense, they're both

1:17.8

saying that you will get excommunicated if your devotion to Trump is not absolute. The real message

1:24.5

here seems to be quite clearly that MAGA really is a cult.

1:28.7

This captures so much about this moment, Trump's deepening on popularity, the fracturing of his coalition, and the tenuousness of MAGA's future as it keeps throwing out big voices.

1:40.1

We're talking about all of it with New Republic's staff writer Perry Bacon, who has a great new piece on the global right turning on Trump.

1:47.2

Perry, good to have you on.

1:48.9

Good to see you, Greg. Thanks for having me.

1:51.2

So Donald Trump exploded in self-pity and megalomania on truth social, and this one had something special.

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