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The Journal.

Trump 2.0: The Musk-Trump Bromance

The Journal.

The Wall Street Journal

Daily News, Business News, News

4.25.3K Ratings

🗓️ 14 February 2025

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

It’s been a busy month in D.C. for Elon Musk. WSJ’s Tim Higgins joins Ryan Knutson and Molly Ball to discuss what Musk’s strategies as a CEO can tell us about his plans for DOGE and the federal government. Plus, we get into Trump’s relationship with the judiciary and take a question from a listener about American expansionism.  Further Reading: -Musk Brings His Business Playbook to Washington: Move Fast and Claim Victory  -DOGE, Musk and Trump—Our Reporters Answered Your Questions  Further Listening: -R.I.P. CFPB?  -Trump 2.0: Less Foreign Aid, More Tariffs  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Molly Ball, Senior Political Correspondent. How are you?

0:10.9

I'm good, Ryan. How you doing?

0:12.8

I'm good. So today I wanted to talk about Doge.

0:17.1

Last year when Elon Musk started talking about the Department of Government Efficiency or Doge,

0:23.1

I wasn't sure how big of a deal it would actually be because it almost seemed like it was a joke at first.

0:27.9

I mean, you know, it's named after a dog meme.

0:31.4

But less than a month into Trump's presidency, Doge and Elon Musk have actually been one of the most significant forces in the Trump administration.

0:39.0

Yeah, I mean, he seems to be everywhere, and Washington is still sort of stunned by how ubiquitous he is

0:47.6

and how much wide-ranging personal latitude he seems to have been given to just roam around the White House doing stuff.

0:56.1

On the other hand, we don't really know what power he has because his role is so poorly defined

1:03.2

and may be reined in by some of these court decisions.

1:07.7

So it's a bit of a mystery.

1:10.7

A mystery that we will try to solve.

1:18.9

From the journal, this is Trump 2.0. I'm Ryan Canucksen.

1:23.4

And I'm Molly Ball.

1:24.7

It's Friday, February 14th.

1:30.4

Coming up, Doge.

1:32.7

It used to be just a meme.

1:34.2

And now it's taking apart the federal government.

1:36.7

We're also talking about the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act,

1:39.9

the mayor of New York, Canada, Greenland, Gaza.

1:43.3

Stay tuned.

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