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Hello, True Spies listeners.

Welcome back to our new assignment, True Spies debrief.

No one knows both Washington, D.C., and Silicon Valley, as well as Dr. Amy Ziegert.

Dr. Ziegert is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, a professor of political science

by courtesy at Stanford University, and the author most recently of the book Spies, Lies and

Algorithms, The History and Future of American Intelligence.

For years, she has worked to bridge the divide

between the worlds of policy and tech.

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