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Neil the Grass Tyson here, your personal astrophysicist.

And today, we're going to talk about forensic pathology,

not only the real thing, but what happens when it becomes novelized.

And becomes fictionalized storytelling.

Chuck, always good to have you.

Always good to be here, alive, alive.

I think on this topic, we're going to need some serious levity.

Nothing like that.

Yeah, and what do you call it when it's already done?

Now, gallows humor is when you're about to die.

What do you call it when you're already dead?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know if I want to know.

So we have a fascinating pair of guests on this episode.

First, we have Patricia Cornwell, and we've actually had her on before.

And she has another novel she's going to tell us about.

And she not only talked about dead people, talks about dead people,

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