Hey guys and welcome to the Moms and Mysteries podcast, a true crime podcast featuring myself, Mandy, and my dear friend Melissa. Hi, Melissa. Hey, Mandy. How are you? I'm doing great. Good. Long time. No seat. Long time. Maybe not long enough.

Hours. It's been mere hours. Yeah. Mandy stopped by today and we got to hang out for a few minutes to take care of business, in-person business, which is so weird. We never have in-person business.

Everything can be done online except some very small things. Yes. Yeah, so that was fun. Always good to see you. Mandy, we are doing a bonus episode that I'm very excited about today. Me too. This is a very unique, well, is it unique the word I'm looking for? Niche.

Niche. Let's go niche. It's very niche. Yes. It's a very interesting set of stories, if you will.

Absolutely. So the idea behind this is we're going to share one story each really about

a first in the world of true crime, a first conviction, a first time something like DNA is used,

but even kind of absurd stuff. So it should be. So it's kind of like documenting your baby's

firsts, first rolling over first, but not like.

I would not have gotten there at all. And also, even my daughter, I stopped documenting after a month.

So I couldn't, you know, my firstborn's baby book is unfinished and my seconds is unstarted.

Well, it's hard to not finish when you don't even start. There you know. We both want on that one. I knew that wasn't even a thing to try to do. Okay, so we will start doing these stories. This is a way for us to have a little bit of a lighter conversation and a little bit of fun doing this.

I even got a couple of trivia questions for Mandy at the end that she doesn't know about.

Oh, I always have a surprise.

And I know now enough to give you multiple choice, so it will be helpful.

Thank you so much.

You're welcome.

So do you want to kick it off with your first story?

Sure, yeah. So as we said, we are diving into some true crime firsts, first time that some things happened that really in many ways set the stage for the way, in some cases, things are investigated even to this day. So it's very exciting stuff. Yeah. So the first case that we're talking about is the case of

Colin Pitchfork. And this is the case where we had the first conviction that was using DNA evidence. And this

happened in 1987 in the UK. So in the 1980s, DNA was really still a brand new concept. And the idea of being able to identify a killer by their DNA just sounded like something from like a science fiction movie from the future, something that just was not really a thing back then.

But then in the 80s, in a small village, two girls were murdered a few years apart and a man named Colin Pitchfork

was at the center of the speculation behind who they thought, you know, was responsible for this.

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