Ashley Flowers.

I am jazz to talk a little bit of true crime.

Kim and I, we are obsessed. I don't know how healthy this is to be that obsessed. You want to put your tinfoil hat on. I say crime junkies are born, not made. If I could build a moat, I would have a moat with alligators. Our brains, like, love a mystery. How is someone here one second? Gone the next. I don't think the story we've gotten is the real story at all.

No.

In my gut, do I think she's alive? I do. This is insane that it's not getting any traction. Right now I'm working on like the weirdest catfishing story. In today's day and age, the fact that we're still catfishing? Do you think this ever turns into an unhealthy obsession? I wanted to find a way to give back.

We're not just telling these stories. We're working with law enforcement. We're working with families.

Do you ever get afraid like maybe I said too much? The dark shit happens in the shadows.

Yes, it does.

This could go off the rails. Yeah. Like really, really quick.

Sort of fine fine with too.

Thank you for coming here today.

I'm so excited to sit and talk to you.

Thank you.

I am jazz to talk a little bit of true crime.

I am so excited.

So I want you, if you can just tell the audience, how did you get into true crime? I say crime junkies are born, not made. True. Very true. Like, there was never a moment or like a case. Like, I don't have a personal experience. My mom was a crime junkie, her mom before her. So I feel. Generational. Seriously. I feel like I just grew up in it. And it started when I was young with like, we were reading Nancy Drew and then Agatha Christie. And then I feel like the first time I really like got into true crime as it was a fiction is we were, me and my best friend Britt who I do the show with. We were tabloid height when John Bonnet happened.

And for us to realize like, oh my gosh, this could happen, happen to someone our age that looks like

Gus. And it was so big. And so that's when that's when like this whole other world opened up.

And I have just been obsessed ever since. I can't help it. So my sister, Kim and I, we are

obsessed. And I don't know how healthy this is to be that obsessed. And I was so much more

obsessed before I had my daughter. And I think then I... I feel like you've gone the other way.

So I went the other way for a minute. I was like, I need a break or I was very choosy with the true crime I would watch. It could have nothing to do with kids. Yeah. So many moms tell us, they're like, if it's a kid episode, like, I can't listen. Yep. Which like I totally get, because I've got a daughter now. And I think that it like it doesn't it change,'t you think your view of the world I think completely

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