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Grover Cleveland is somebody who fixes in his mind.

What's the correct principle here?

But also what's the thing that's in the best interest of the American people as opposed to any political faction and decides that that's what

he's going to stick with? This is your host, Scott Bertram. Welcome to the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour,

part of the Hillsdale College Podcast Network. And that's Troy Seneca, author of the recent book,

A Man of Iron, the Turbulent Life and Improbable Presidency of Grover Cleveland. We'll talk in depth

Troy about Grover Cleveland coming up later on in the program. First, we're joined by John J. Miller,

Director of the Dow Journalism Program here at Hillsdale College.

John, thanks so much for joining us.

Hi, Scott.

Talking today about this idea that's been floating in Washington, they've tried a couple of times to push it through.

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