There's great defy platforms that you can go and take your stable coin and literally in a year make 20%.

That's over 3x of what the Wells Fargo is providing for you.

But what I try to tell them is that, listen, nobody works for free.

If Wells Fargo is giving you 4%, that means the Wells Fargo as a bank and as an entity,

they're probably making that 20% or they're probably making even more.

But in the day, that's just how the decentralized banks have been built.

For me, it's like, why not take back some control of your financial freedom

and put yourself in a position where you can control that stable coin, right?

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Tristan, welcome to the show.

Thank you for having me, Jen.

Thank you.

How do you go from athlete to tech founder?

Talk me through that journey.

I mean, for me as an athlete, I think as more athletes,

how the sports world is changing.

I think we've done such a good job entering a career at such a young age,

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