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We're always great to have Tristan Harris with us,

co-founder of the Center for Humane Technology.

You remember Tristan first came into public notice and got a huge response when he was on social dilemma.

Were you producing that too?

Didn't produce it, but it was based on our work at the Center for Humanism.

Right, because you were really concerned about the direction of our social media.

Exactly.

And it's even worse than, now most people in the beginning you were exposing.

Don't you find that most people on board now?

Well, I think anybody who's seen...

People, not engineers.

Yeah, the people, not...

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