Tristan Harris is issuing an urgent warning.

He fears that social media firms are operating a civil war for profit business model, one

that is harming American democracy.

And he has profound concerns about what this technology is doing for people all around

the world.

So what is happening and what can be done to change it?

What are the solutions?

Those are a few of the questions for this week's Reliable Sources podcast.

So let's cue the music.

I'm Brian Stelter and this weekly podcast is our chance to go more in depth talking

about how the media world really works or doesn't work.

And you probably know the name Tristan Harris, especially if you saw the acclaimed net

flick documentary, the social dilemma, Harris has been out in front warning about how

tech platforms are changing the way we live and think and operate.

He's trying to warn about the dangers of these technologies.

And he's doing it as an insider, a former insider, as a former staffer at Google, who's

now the co-founder and president of the Center for Humane Technology.

He's also the co-host of the podcast, Your Undivided Attention.

And I've been trying to interview him for a while.

I wanted to have a conversation about the attention economy, the war for your attention

and how these platforms profit from it.

But once we started talking, we went in directions I did not expect.

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