Well, Bill, you're involved in at least three forthcoming books, one with Peter Van Inwagen, on numbers, one on various

perspectives on the historical Adam, and a four views book on the Trinity.

Let's narrow this podcast down to the Trinity,

but give us a little preview of these forthcoming books.

The book with Peter Van Inwagon is called Do Numbers Exist.

Peter Van Inwagon is Professor Emeritus from the University of Notre Dame

and one of the most prominent metaphysicians in the world today

and he is an ardent Platonist that is to say he thinks that things like numbers and sets and other mathematical

objects as well as properties propositions even fictional characters like Donald Duck exist.

They're even more real than chairs and tables and sticks and stones

and the physical objects around us. And I on the other hand

of an anti-Platinist, I don't think that these things are real and exist and so

this book is a debate book between Peter and me responding to each

other on this question, do numbers or abstract objects exist. Now lest our listeners think that this is

an utter irrelevancy that's of no importance the theological value of this is that if these abstract objects like numbers exist,

then they are plausibly eternal uncreated objects. And that would mean, therefore, that God is not the sole

ultimate reality. He is not the source or creator of everything apart from himself.

Rather, God is just one of an infinite plenitude

of eternal uncreated beings that exist just as robustly as he does. And I think that's

profoundly, theologically unacceptable. And so this is an important debate that we're engaged in in this book.

Now the second book is on the historical Adam and this is a four views book that it is edited by Ken Keithley of Southeastern Baptist

Theological Seminary. And it features four authors, Kenton Sparks, who advocates the view that there was no historical

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