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Hello and welcome to start your week from the bunker.

I'm Jacob Jarvis, and joining me today is author of The Future of Trust and Oh God What Now Mainstay, Ros Taylor. Hi, Ros. Hello, Jov. Ros, we're going to get into

the domestic news shortly and talk about what Reeves is up to this week. But first, big news of the

moment, the death of Pope Francis. So he died on Monday. What do we know about this? And what does this mean

is going to happen now? You'll have to forgive me that I haven't seen conclave, so I'm not

very looped in on this situation. You should see conclave because it will shed a new light on how

fascinating this process is. And it doesn't really kick off the conclave until after the funeral and after the nine days of morning that's going to happen now.

But it really does make the whole thing far more interesting than it would otherwise be, at least for someone like me who is not Catholic.

But it's obviously a huge deal because there are more than 1.4 billion Catholics in the world, people who identify as Catholic, even if perhaps

they don't follow the strictures of the church very faithfully. And it means that there has been a

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