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Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American politics and the Trump presidency for the New Spectator USA website.

I'm joined today by John Rick MacArthur, who is publisher of Harper's Magazine in New York.

And we're going to be talking about the resignation slash firing of Ian Baruma, the editor of the New York

Review of Books. So, Rick, just to start with, I'll just sort of lay out how I think the story

works, and you can correct me if I'm getting it wrong, in the forthcoming edition of the New York

Review of Books, Ian Barumar published a piece by Gian Gamesi,

who is a kind of Canadian celebrity, sort of Harvey Weinstein before Harvey Weinstein, if you like,

he was accused of terrible sexual misdemeanors, was not convicted, and he wrote a piece about

what it's like to be seen as a monster in the media

and it was a sort of, I thought, rather self-serving, whiny piece, but nonetheless

quite an interesting read. Anyway, it caused a huge uproar. It has already caused a huge

uproar and it has already forced in Buruma to resign.

Is that a fair summation of what's happened?

Yes, there's been a Twitter storm, a kind of trial by Twitter,

which is what we, I refer to as extrajudicial justice,

where Baruma has been ejected from his job as editor of New York Review because a mob decided that he's not fit to edit the New York Review because he published a piece by one of

these awful, supposedly allegedly awful male predators. Now, we published at Harper's Magazine. We're always

first, I'm exaggerating, but we're ahead of them with a piece by John Hockenberry, who was another

national public radio personality and journalist in the United States, who is similarly accused of horrible predatory

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